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[ezsasa]

Not to the best of my knowledge. He's being given the cold shoulder by academia in the west & here for his findings are against established orthodoxy . Hence my earlier post appealing to the thekedars of Sanatan Dharma i e the powers that be in the Sangh & the BJP to help him

has he indicated that he is willing to do it full time setting aside his current professional commitments?

 

[Azaad]

has he indicated that he is willing to do it full time setting aside his current professional commitments?

I don't think so. Besides now that the code has been established all people interested in deciphering those seals need to do is apply his code. His role has pretty much ended.

 

[ezsasa]

I don't think so. Besides now that the code has been established all people interested in deciphering those seals need to do is apply his code. His role has pretty much ended.

to my understanding that's not how it works, the onus is on the author to make an effort to convince others that his/her idea is a valid idea. otherwise what was the need for sai deepak to go around the country and outside giving so many lectures on his worldview even though it is not his profession, he could have just printed his books and left it there.

results will be in line with the efforts made.

 

[Azaad]

to my understanding that's not how it works, the onus is on the author to make an effort to convince others that his/her idea is a valid idea. otherwise what was the need for sai deepak to go around the country and outside giving so many lectures on his worldview even though it is not his profession, he could have just printed his books and left it there.

results will be in line with the efforts made.

Tbh , I think you're making wrong comparisons & drawing the wrong conclusions. JSD is an archetypical activist by nature & a lawyer by profession . He's an author only by choice . His principle aim has been to propagate his pet causes for which the book merely becomes a vehicle. Arguably he could have written his thesis for a PhD or had it peer reviewed before publishing it in a book format as many have done so before him

I'd go so far as to argue he'd be an activist even without authoring a book except that by doing so he's now articulated a bunch of thoughts & compiled a history apart from a manifesto on what should society or at the very least people sharing his concerns ought to be doing.

Yajnadevam is an IT professional specialising in cryptography who's merely indulging in a hobby. Whatever time he can devote to this cherished hobby he's dedicating with an aim to popularise his work within set limitations which is thru SM where those limitations begin & end.

If I'm not mistaken he's tweeted on quite a few occasions in the past on how his work was refused publishing by many prestigious journals devoted to archaeo history without peer review which he couldn't persuade the powers that be to do so.

When you work with such limitations success is limited which is the reason this interview has come as a break where hopefully concerned people will notice & do the needful. I believe he said in that particular interview , he'd be in Delhi in December for an extended tour & interviews with the media . Hopefully something good should come out of it. Fingers crossed.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://youtu.be/d7vbYvNJIKI?si=tbirVjVE0WB8kcOr

 

[Miss Firing]

This is what happens when we do not own our own narrative & when we do have one it gets suppressed. This will continue as long as the dollar printing machine exists.



Gora Saheb Sheldon Poollock partly blames "Brahmin Elitism" for Britshit colonialism & GermsMany Nazism.

These people want to whitewash their white christian atrocities & shift blame elsewhere.

 

[bong]

This is what happens when we do not own our own narrative & when we do have one it gets suppressed. This will continue as long as the dollar printing machine exists.

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Gora Saheb Sheldon Poollock partly blames "Brahmin Elitism" for Britshit colonialism & GermsMany Nazism.

These people want to whitewash their white christian atrocities & shift blame elsewhere.

I'm sure these arguments would be used by waste-ern rw to show themselves as the good guys and hindus as the bad ones,thus strengthening their agenda. It's all just the tricks of the waste-ern white-jewish deep state cult.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

This is what happens when we do not own our own narrative & when we do have one it gets suppressed. This will continue as long as the dollar printing machine exists.

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Gora Saheb Sheldon Poollock partly blames "Brahmin Elitism" for Britshit colonialism & GermsMany Nazism.

These people want to whitewash their white christian atrocities & shift blame elsewhere.

These well-wishers are also confused,because they are cultural aliens and instead of asserting their cultural confusions and their base understandings, we follow these dudes due to western institutionalism in academia, even in India.

First thing to understand about cultural takes, is that inorder to evaluate a foreign,alien culture, you need a frame of reference of YOUR culture that you can relate to, to understand.
When we here speak of 'gora dehaat', people instinctively think of some backwater region of UP/Bihar/Telengana etc. as 'ok. dehat, not apply to goras and see what its like' as a frame of reference.

What Pollock's deep aversion to satanan dharma is framed by, is the recent past and STILL present day phenomena of Nordic 'polytheism' and 'muh vikaangz ancestors and muh thor' worship deeply intersect with white superiority racism and Christianity being the 'non-racist civilizational force against evol racist pagans of aryanism'.
Since all these fuckers believe that goras brought hinduism/vedic culture via muh aryanism, they automatically think that to be a kattar hindu/hinduvta, you must be like the same as these Asatru or other pseudo-polytheistic-race-religionism' that is part of Euro-dehaat and Euro 'neo-enlightenment religions'.
And we must also be racist, because euros are racist and clearly, our religion comes from euros in urkonaziland. So our vedic ancestors were racist white dudes who made caste for race, just as their racist ancestors thought and their current day 'white polytheist' groups display the same racist mentality.

Westerners are deeply brainwashed away from one aspect of their past : thats its white people who invented the concept of race and race-based anything. Nobody else did, ever.
Westerners make bullshit copes with 'well you indians had concept of mleccha, sumerians described themselves as dark skinned blackheaded ones' but they forget, that racism isnt describing yourself in terms of colour/texture, racism is GROUPING people as similar **DUE** to same colour/feature, etc.


Its not racist to go 'hmm people in samoa are darker and flatter nosed than icelanders', racism enters the picture when its 'all flat nosed dark skinned people are closer to each other and all white skinned pointy nosed people are closer to one another, so treat these features differently. Non white cultures didnt have a concept of race, they had a concept of jaati and showed in-jaati elitism (which is all over the place in our species).
Take the Chinese, a non white 'race' that are accused of 'racism' and they clearly are the most 'racist' after white people. But historically, the Chinese were all 'muh superior han jaati and all u barbs are inferior' and had rungs to it - no Chinese historically ever- EVER- saw a turk or a mongol or a hun to be 'closer to me coz they look similar to me and closer to being muh people' than the 'round eyed hairy ugly barbarians of the west who lived in great cities of iran and india'.

This difference- the difference between racism and ethnocentrism- is often ignored completely in western academia and western academia has a huge blind spot for the western invention of race as a concept itself.
Its the Greco-Romans who first time in history start classifying 'white pypo', 'black pypo' and 'slanty eyed pypo' - they didnt use 'brown pypo' or have that concept at all, because the Greco-Romans saw we browns as mucho, mucho more preferable people and respectable than the pale naked terrors that lived in cold dank forests of europistan back then.
Which is why this 'brown pypo' things comes around 600-700 years ago, with hatred towards arabs solidifying and no more contact with rest of brown people land.

 

[SlayingHell]

Are there any truths here that the Top Brass of Military and Bureaucracy is compromised always because their Flesh-Spawns go outside the country and some Deep State Asset provides them seats in universities/citizenships in exchange for Babu's machinations? Or is it mere hysteria?

What can be measures that can be taken to combat this?
1. A Blanket Ban on top brass-relatives settled somewhere out of India can't happen because milaards themselves maybe compromised who will struck down that order.
2. Another approach can be to appoint only those without significant foreign connections. Appoint only those who know their place and not do dalal's bidding.
3. Periodically transfer so they can't gain any foothold like 2 or 3 or 5 years at max.

Any other approaches?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Are there any truths here that the Top Brass of Military and Bureaucracy is compromised always because their Flesh-Spawns go outside the country and some Deep State Asset provides them seats in universities/citizenships in exchange for Babu's machinations? Or is it mere hysteria?

What can be measures that can be taken to combat this?
1. A Blanket Ban on top brass-relatives settled somewhere out of India can't happen because milaards themselves maybe compromised who will struck down that order.
2. Another approach can be to appoint only those without significant foreign connections. Appoint only those who know their place and not do dalal's bidding.
3. Periodically transfer so they can't gain any foothold like 2 or 3 or 5 years at max.

Any other approaches?

Its true, its true for ALL nations, including gora nations w.r.t Murrica, with the notable exceptions of Russia,Japan,Germany & China.

There is no steps you can take against this, because nobody wants to see a situation where their own kids are barred from going to MIT or Harvard or Eton or whatever super high fancy top institutions in the world are.
Nobody and no society is going to ban their own children from accessing the best of the best in education known to man. At best, they will do what China/Russia did/does : look at the famlies of those children going overseas very very closely and if those children start to be a liability, exert pressure on their families etc'.

Its been known in spy-beurocracy circles for decades now: while everyone else tries to honeytrap you or come up with fancy plans to get info from you, CIA is the only one that gets the 'full scholarship to MIT for ur kid + green card + fortune 500 job' as an incentive. Even the Canadians or Aussies fall for this, so India is small potatoes at this.

The only way out, if you dont want Russia-China model over its people, is to have your own institutions of equal repute as MIT is, amongst your people, like Japan or Germany does (which genuinely DO have unis as good as MIT in every inch of undergrad+postgrad quality but suffer from non-english factor in post grad output/fame) AND also be a developed nation, so saying you are gonna give MIT scholarship +green card isnt that big of a deal to a straight A japanese/german engineering student's beurocrat dad.


As for #3 - yes, that works. The key to Chinese homogenized society, along with their long-standing govt beurocracy, is that its the Chinese who came up with transfer system for governors+generals in commanderies, with nobody spending more than x years at a given commandery+province as governor.

It creates its own class/caste specific problem, as it did with the beurocrat class in chinese society and its interests being served over the greater good of society, but it does work in terms of short term cohesiveness and relative lowering of corruption.

Will be very hard to do in India, where the entire power architecture is rooted in local rooted-ness and finding local bigwig to collaborate with the central power.

Unlike China, India does not have the institutionalism in place with the right amount of authoritarianism to make such a power structure viable imo.

 

[SlayingHell]

Its true, its true for ALL nations, including gora nations w.r.t Murrica, with the notable exceptions of Russia,Japan,Germany & China.

There is no steps you can take against this, because nobody wants to see a situation where their own kids are barred from going to MIT or Harvard or Eton or whatever super high fancy top institutions in the world are.
Nobody and no society is going to ban their own children from accessing the best of the best in education known to man. At best, they will do what China/Russia did/does : look at the famlies of those children going overseas very very closely and if those children start to be a liability, exert pressure on their families etc'.

Its been known in spy-beurocracy circles for decades now: while everyone else tries to honeytrap you or come up with fancy plans to get info from you, CIA is the only one that gets the 'full scholarship to MIT for ur kid + green card + fortune 500 job' as an incentive. Even the Canadians or Aussies fall for this, so India is small potatoes at this.

The only way out, if you dont want Russia-China model over its people, is to have your own institutions of equal repute as MIT is, amongst your people, like Japan or Germany does (which genuinely DO have unis as good as MIT in every inch of undergrad+postgrad quality but suffer from non-english factor in post grad output/fame) AND also be a developed nation, so saying you are gonna give MIT scholarship +green card isnt that big of a deal to a straight A japanese/german engineering student's beurocrat dad.


As for #3 - yes, that works. The key to Chinese homogenized society, along with their long-standing govt beurocracy, is that its the Chinese who came up with transfer system for governors+generals in commanderies, with nobody spending more than x years at a given commandery+province as governor.

It creates its own class/caste specific problem, as it did with the beurocrat class in chinese society and its interests being served over the greater good of society, but it does work in terms of short term cohesiveness and relative lowering of corruption.

Will be very hard to do in India, where the entire power architecture is rooted in local rooted-ness and finding local bigwig to collaborate with the central power.

Unlike China, India does not have the institutionalism in place with the right amount of authoritarianism to make such a power structure viable imo.

So I really don't get how Modi is unable to see this? Unless he is uneducated clueless leader who don't know what's happening in his own backyard, he could see all the indigenous products derailed and fighter engine drama. We should had Manohar Parriker as Defense Minister for longer time.

Also if he could, can't he change? Isn't it merely a order and is it like underlings would revolt? I mean this is the same country where IAS/IPS are transferred 10s of times, I don't believe that Modi faces resistance if he wanted to kick out dalal's bidding. How hard is it for RAW or IB to get dirt on these bureaucrats to keep them in line?

Let's say if Modi or Parriker orders Indian Army to go with Indigenous ATGMs only, underlings can't come to his cabin and directly say to his face "No" right? I don't think our babus have that much courage.

I still hold on to my belief that Modi including Kadi Ninda are blind donkeys who don't know what's happening under him and turning a blind eye to the circus run by chamchas below. Personally I don't think Modi or RNS or Shah knows technicalities like our Fighters need Indigenous Engines or we need ATGMs or our Infantry is shit tier etc, the last time we had someone who knew what he is doing- Manohar Parriker- we had our Indigenous Fighter inducted.

 

[SlayingHell]

Its true, its true for ALL nations, including gora nations w.r.t Murrica, with the notable exceptions of Russia,Japan,Germany & China.

There is no steps you can take against this, because nobody wants to see a situation where their own kids are barred from going to MIT or Harvard or Eton or whatever super high fancy top institutions in the world are.
Nobody and no society is going to ban their own children from accessing the best of the best in education known to man. At best, they will do what China/Russia did/does : look at the famlies of those children going overseas very very closely and if those children start to be a liability, exert pressure on their families etc'.

Its been known in spy-beurocracy circles for decades now: while everyone else tries to honeytrap you or come up with fancy plans to get info from you, CIA is the only one that gets the 'full scholarship to MIT for ur kid + green card + fortune 500 job' as an incentive. Even the Canadians or Aussies fall for this, so India is small potatoes at this.

The only way out, if you dont want Russia-China model over its people, is to have your own institutions of equal repute as MIT is, amongst your people, like Japan or Germany does (which genuinely DO have unis as good as MIT in every inch of undergrad+postgrad quality but suffer from non-english factor in post grad output/fame) AND also be a developed nation, so saying you are gonna give MIT scholarship +green card isnt that big of a deal to a straight A japanese/german engineering student's beurocrat dad.


As for #3 - yes, that works. The key to Chinese homogenized society, along with their long-standing govt beurocracy, is that its the Chinese who came up with transfer system for governors+generals in commanderies, with nobody spending more than x years at a given commandery+province as governor.

It creates its own class/caste specific problem, as it did with the beurocrat class in chinese society and its interests being served over the greater good of society, but it does work in terms of short term cohesiveness and relative lowering of corruption.

Will be very hard to do in India, where the entire power architecture is rooted in local rooted-ness and finding local bigwig to collaborate with the central power.

Unlike China, India does not have the institutionalism in place with the right amount of authoritarianism to make such a power structure viable imo.

The Government of India has only one approach since CCP style doesn't work here, either make a Korean/Nippon esque DAPA/ATLA equivalent directly under PM with all the Procurement-R&D-Product lifecycle management under one agency to remove Dalal's bidding and Imports.

In regarding loyalties elsewhere, can't govt atleast ban Military Top Brass relatives settling abroad cause unlike Bureaucrats here is a matter of National Security? I mean USA has something like that in place.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The Government of India has only one approach since CCP style doesn't work here, either make a Korean/Nippon esque DAPA/ATLA equivalent directly under PM with all the Procurement-R&D-Product lifecycle management under one agency to remove Dalal's bidding and Imports.

In regarding loyalties elsewhere, can't govt atleast ban Military Top Brass relatives settling abroad cause unlike Bureaucrats here is a matter of National Security? I mean USA has something like that in place.

No. You cannot be banned from doing xyz in a rule of law society coz your relative does xyz job. Unless that job is terrorism/sedition and you show support for it.

This doesnt exist anywhere, even Huwawei founding boss guy, who is a pucca CCP insider rank engineer corps guy who became huwaweii founder after retiring from CCP has a daughter from a 2nd marriage who is a compsci student in harvard.
USA doesnt really have any such thing in place either - the children of those who work for Northrop or Skunkworks can go to Eton or Singapore Uni if they wish, but murricans elites dont really venture outta their ivy league comfort zone, so its not an issue.

 

[SlayingHell]

No. You cannot be banned from doing xyz in a rule of law society coz your relative does xyz job. Unless that job is terrorism/sedition and you show support for it.

This doesnt exist anywhere, even Huwawei founding boss guy, who is a pucca CCP insider rank engineer corps guy who became huwaweii founder after retiring from CCP has a daughter from a 2nd marriage who is a compsci student in harvard.
USA doesnt really have any such thing in place either - the children of those who work for Northrop or Skunkworks can go to Eton or Singapore Uni if they wish, but murricans elites dont really venture outta their ivy league comfort zone, so its not an issue.

Let's say if Modi or Parriker orders Indian Army to go with Indigenous ATGMs only, underlings can't come to his cabin and directly say to his face "No" right? I don't think our babus have that much courage.

I still hold on to my belief that Modi including Kadi Ninda are blind donkeys who don't know what's happening under him and turning a blind eye to the circus run by chamchas below. Personally I don't think Modi or RNS or Shah knows technicalities like our Fighters need Indigenous Engines or we need ATGMs or our Infantry is shit tier etc, the last time we had someone who knew what he is doing- Manohar Parriker- we had our Indigenous Fighter inducted.

What about this? I don't know how the circus is run inside PMO Office.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Let's say if Modi or Parriker orders Indian Army to go with Indigenous ATGMs only, underlings can't come to his cabin and directly say to his face "No" right? I don't think our babus have that much courage.

I still hold on to my belief that Modi including Kadi Ninda are blind donkeys who don't know what's happening under him and turning a blind eye to the circus run by chamchas below. Personally I don't think Modi or RNS or Shah knows technicalities like our Fighters need Indigenous Engines or we need ATGMs or our Infantry is shit tier etc, the last time we had someone who knew what he is doing- Manohar Parriker- we had our Indigenous Fighter inducted.

What about this? I don't know how the circus is run inside PMO Office.

That is a completely different issue than saying 'hey mr DRDO researcher, your kid cant get into harvard or go to murrica for PhD coz gormint rule'.
It will be chucked out by Supreme court in 2 seconds flat and should be.
Ordering around your own babus for their work is one thing, telling people you cant go to phoren lands coz your relatives work in sector xyz is sure way to kill that sector permanently. Coz nobody would ever want that job.
I am as nationalist as they come and if i had the education and tomorrow ISRO offered me 30 crores for my expertise but told me that if i take job, my kids cant go for education where they choose, i would say no deal.
Very very few desi parents will even consider that kind of a scenario to be acceptable.

 

[Azaad]

Frankly I don't see what # 68 onwards has to do on the History thread. @SKC ; @Suryavanshi